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11 Week African Gray very noisy eater!

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Hello,

 

this is our first post, and we were just wondering that our new Baby Rory is doing everthing right. He is generally very noisy when eating, so is he being appreciative or asking for something?

 

We're still trying to work out what he likes, which is a bit trail and error! So far he turns his nose up to most things, except carrot. Will feeding him to much carrot give him a bad stomach, he does have a supply of nuts and seeds on demand, but the only time he eats this is when we sprinkle strawberry egg powder over it.

 

We're still weaning him of watery egg mix, which he loved!!

 

Any ideas?

 

Many thanks in advance

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Hello and welcome :D

Can I just ask a couple of questions to help us understand.

 

How long have you had Rory? (I love that name by the way :D ) I see he is 11 weeks old now.

 

Am I right in thinking that when you first brought him home he was not weaned, but was just on watery egg mix?

 

What feeding instructions / advice were you given, by the breeder or shop you got him from?

 

:D

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Posted Image to the Parroty Place, Zerocool. Loads to share, learn and enjoy Posted Image

 

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You'll notice many of us have a photobucket link under our posts - Below is an easy how-to on setting pics and/or vids up to share with us all:

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Also a variety of topics you may like to wander through:

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Here in the UK it is actually illegal to sell an unweaned animal/bird to a member of the public and this American thread explains some of the reasons why this is so ....

WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY AN UNWEANED BABY PARROT©:

https://www.parrot-link.co.uk/topic/10304-why-you-should-never-buy-an-unweaned-baby-parrot%c2%a9/

 

I strongly recommend you get back to the bird's breeder for advice and assistance .... it is not unheard of for young parrots to die during the time inexperienced new owners are trying to hand feed them - handfeeding really is a specialist practice.

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Hello!

 

We've had him for 5 days, and he was nearly weaned when we got him however the breeder suggested to build a relationship with him to carry on for a few more days. He was feeding him twice a day with the watery mix and seeds/nuts as and when Rory wanted them. The breeder gave us lots of different bags of seeds, nuts, sultanas etc and enough of the weaning mix fo a week.

 

We got lots of advice, but told us to try different fruits and vegetables with him to see what he likes. We've tried several fruits and veg now but he only eats carrots, turns his beak up at anything else, including his standard mix unless covered in strawberry mix. It might be that hes being stubborn and really wants the weaning stuff, however hes not had it for two days now and the breeder showed us how to check his belly, it appears to be full most of the time.

 

hope this helps

 

Many thanks for the welcome!

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Your breeder if he has been offering fruit and veg should know what he likes and doesnt like,is the birds crop emptying?When my birds go the new owners feed the bird the diet it has been on with me as i know what the will and will not eat...did you visit the bird prior to bringing him home? sorry about all the questions just trying to get a mental picture so maybe we can help

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Yes we visited him 3 times before going ahead, held him and spent a few hours chatting with the breeder. He lives down the road from us, but owns a shop rearing parrots. The breeder gave us some carrots and apples, which he eats very happily. Even now he is eating out of his feeder on his own and making the same noise as if we were feeding him. He sounds content, and enjoys finding food we hide in his perch which has holes in it:

http://bobosplayhouse.com/sunshop/index.php/action/item/id/378/prevaction/category/previd/27/prevstart/0/

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He likes dried banana not fresh, which is strange, we think he like the texture of harder food.

 

many thanks again

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Thanks for that link to the strawberry egg powder - it really isn't an ideal way to feed him.

 

I do understand you feel the need to encourage him to eat but if he is allowed to become used to this powder being added before he will try anything, his diet is at risk of becoming imbalanced very quickly.

 

When introducing new fruit and veg it can be some time before a bird will actually sample the new thing so keep trying day by day :)

 

You may find some of the threads in this link worth a read? ....

MANY, MANY FEEDING TOPICS©:

https://www.parrot-link.co.uk/index.php?topic=17832.0

= from the INFORMATION TOPICS© section: https://www.parrot-link.co.uk/forum/22-parrot-link-information-topics/

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Have you tried your baby on cooked food? He may well enjoy a little warm mashed potato or sweet potato mashed. make sure you don't add salt and that its just warm when he has it.

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Although parrots do vary in their age to be weaned, 11 weeks really is exceptionally young to consider a bird weaned and capable of eating enough independently to keep them going/growing well...... it is good news that your breeder is close to you and so you can seek his advice.

 

 

I have to ask as I'm confused (you have linked to a UK and a USA site) ..... what country are you in? I ask as there is quite often differing ideas from either side of the pond on rearing parrots. For example, I do not know if it is legal in America to sell unweaned birds but here in the UK it is most definitely illegal.

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Our breeder said there was no problem with taking him as he was weaned, however to build a relationship with Rory, by giving him the watery mix he would grow a bond with us. We saw him a couple of times, of which he was sat eating nuts/seeds/raisins in his cage with his brother.

 

Like I've said he's sat quite happily eating on his own, finding food in his perch, eating carrots that we give him etc. He is just very noisy when doing so.

 

We are in the UK. I just couldn't find the right links :-)

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The sound he is making is the sound a baby makes when being handfed by the rearer....him doing it whilst feeding himself is a sign he is unweaned........when our babies are that age they make no feed me sounds when feeding themselves,once weaned and for along time after in alot of cases they will make ''baby noises'' but only when you have food or a handrearing object they recognise not when they are feeding in there cage

......sorry to be so blunt but your bird is unweaned

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As I do sometimes buy from Quiko UK (not the egg food :( ) I was interested to know what they say about the product(they are bird keepers) that has been reccomended as I had not seen it before --------------- but it`s not on their web site http://www.quiko.co.uk/products.htm so I checked the German site ( they are a German company) but could not find it in their avian catalogue http://www.quiko.de/pdf/quiko-katalog-zuechter-2007.pdf so I looked and found it in their shops catalogue http://www.quiko.de/pdf/Quiko-%20Export-Catalog-2007.pdf which states

STRAWBERRY SHORTCAKE

EGG-BISCUIT FRUIT TREAT

- for small animals

· CONTAINS STRAWBERRIES

for Variety

· CONTAINS HONEY

for Palatability

· CONTAINS REAL EGG

for Protein

yes it is in the avian section of the catalogue & shows birds on the packet & the product in the furry section does show animals I`m wondering if they`ve had 2nd thoughts about this product

Honey is an excellent treat and can be useful as an extra food source & pickme up for ill or off colour but it also can have the nasty effect of causing the runs if taken in quantity

 

I also agree with what the others have said about the possibility that this bird is not weaned , and am wondering if this product is being used to force wean him :o

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I can not offer you any advice as i am not a breeder and i have never had a parrot from a baby, but i just wanted to say well done on seeking advice. It may seem sometimes as if people are being a little critical of you but they are not. we are all protective of birds and will always try to help you.

I think that you had fears about this behaviour yourself or you would not have come on here and asked the question, listen to what people are telling you, they are breeders or rescuers who know what they are talking about.

I hope that your little one is ok and that he gets over his problems

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you will also need to moniter his protein intake,as at the moment is diet does contain more than it should,and that could be damaging to his health,especially at such a young age,i would cut out the nuts,and reduce the amount of eggfood you are using to sprinkle on his fooduntil you are using hardly any atall,introduce a wider variety of soft foods such as melon and peas,a few grapes,soaked pulses,....i would also go back to the breeder and suggest that he/she takes a little responsibilty for their bird and ask if he can show you properly how to feed this bird with the correct handrearing formula he/she used to raise them as i think it would be better to take charge now,i would suggest that because of the breeders rush to wean,it may have put the weaning process into such a whirl,you may need to be feeding him for a couple of weeks,id just start with a maybe 10ml in the morning/afternoon,just to get him into feeding mode,then offer him his fruit and veg,sit and eat it with him,saying awwwwwwwww jummy and smack your lips,hell soon take an interest in what youve got,i would use hulled seed too(without shells)as this will be easier for him to eat himself,hes a lost little boy who dosent know yet how to take care of himself,but im sure with the help he will get from you ,you can soon get him back on the right road..........ill pm you my number,and i can send you links to the pulse mix and hulled seed im talking about.............hope al is well this morning :wink:

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Guest Jane Doe

Hi, I agree with the others, does sound he isn't weaned, the reason he is liking apples and carrots is because they are easier for him to eat, he may not be able to crack seed/ nuts properly yet. I don't think you've mentioned what type of bird Rory is? What shop did he come from if you don't mind me asking? Did the seller not offer you any handrearing formula, I would have thought that's what he'd be more used to although you have to be know what you are doing (he of had to have taught you) to make the formula up as it can cause crops burns or slow crop if not at the right consistancy/tempreture. Idf you do try him with nuts make sure they have the shells removed, they will be easier for him to eat and safer as sometimes nut in shells have gone nasty inside which could make him ill.

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Hi zerocool !!

 

Your story is very similar to mine, we got Miller our Grey, at about twelve weeks, and he didn't seem very good at feeding himself. Of course a few years on I now know he wasnt fully weaned and it was more luck than management that he made it through the first couple of months. Hindsight is a very good thing though, and so you are doing exactly the right thing by asking advice on here.

 

I fed Miller by cracking all of his seeds from a good quality seed mix and I added a bit of water to this at first and hand fed him on my knee. I also hand fed him sloppy food like baby food, mashed potato and cooked brocolli, warm. It taught him what to eat and helped us bond very closely. However, I am no expert, I just did what I thought was best at that time. I think Vicky has offered her help, perhaps she could talk you through what to do as she breeds parrots and is very experienced?

 

It is really hard on you when it seems we are all saying your breeder is poor and you actually know this person and he/she will be telling you a different story. But the important thing is that you get your baby through this, and you need to act quickly before he gets weak. Birds are good at pretending, so he might seem to be eating and not be, or he might actually be eating upon which you are in luck! But please don't leave it to chance.

 

Good luck with him, I adore baby birds!!! :D

 

Rachel

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Guest Jane Doe

Sorry I meant to say doesn't sound like he is weaned, not isn't :roll: . I'v got a stinkng head cold so my brain is a bit fuddled.

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He likes dried banana not fresh, which is strange, we think he like the texture of harder food.

 

 

No, that part isn't particularly strange, although we used to think so ourselves. Merlin loves dried banana but won't go near the fresh item - apart from the woody stalk end of a banana skin, which he also loves!

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He likes dried banana not fresh, which is strange, we think he like the texture of harder food.

 

 

No, that part isn't particularly strange, although we used to think so ourselves. Merlin loves dried banana but won't go near the fresh item - apart from the woody stalk end of a banana skin, which he also loves!

same with my 2 they can't stand fresh banana

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I find mine like to dip dried banana chips in their drinking water, they won't eat fresh banana either.

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not many greys will eat fresh banana its not part of there staple diet in the wild believe it or not and its kinda difficult to eat when you have a beak?......rather sticky

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My two aren't keen on fresh banana either, unless I'm eating it! I think captive birds eats lots of things which would'nt occur naturally in their diet in the wild. Must just be 'something' about narnas!

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