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  1. Just to "jump" into this convo....I'm wanting to build an outdoor aviary/flight with shelter for the parrots and wondered if anyone could list some suitable cost effective materials and gauges of wire for this? I can't seem to find any links online for advice on building something suitable for amazon sized birds and upwards, only for small birds. They have an indoor aviary so wouldn't be outside for prolonged periods of time, just for a few hours a day. Any advice or links would be mucho appreciated!
  2. I think the main problem is that at current, there's isn't enough space to warrant adding extra material to the 5 years so they focus on what they think are the major species that require the most coverage. To restructure the running of veterinary degrees so you could pick and choose what areas you would specialise in at the end seems far more logical but I'd imagine that this would be viewed as highly impractical and costly to action. I.e. They are adopting an "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality.
  3. Haha I'm sure we both know the ins and outs of them literally mcatee!!! Bovine GI......meh.
  4. Hi Greg, I'm not sure about other countries but at Liverpool we cover chickens in great detail throughout the first 3 years and our last Diverse Species module did cover psittacine anatomy and physiology and some behavioural and health issues but this lecturer also advocated wing clipping and said that some species of parrot are fine in their own company which we all know isn't true. This also included bird handling classes but to be frank, I wouldn't trust a great majority of them with a bird. The main problem is the volume of current work and also as you say, an outdated system for those that would like to specialise. Also, it sounds strange but I find that many fellow students have little to no interest in birds and they also seem to be a species that people are most phobic of (flapping etc) and aren't generally seen as endearing as the domestic species...this again could have an impact on numbers of students wanting to study this particular field. I find the most frustrating issue at vet school is the fact that I cannot learn about the species I most want to study regardless of economics and there is little to no support for students wanting to pursue something "out of the ordinary". I have basically been told that if I want to be an avian vet, I have to learn about them in my spare time so it's extremely frustrating indeed! I want to be good at my job but my degree definitely doesn't help that's for sure.
  5. I think you'll find that out of the average 20 quid consult fee, only around £2 is of profit. This is because a veterinary surgery provides private healthcare for your animal. Sadly there is no government funding or NHS for animals. Money has to be found to pay for expensive equipment (an ultrasound machine is in excess of £10,000), tools, heating, electricity, paying wages for a multitude of nurses, receptionists, other vets, replacement supplies/equipment, disposal of clinical waste, running the operating room, continued training of staff etc etc etc. Often there are huge debts not only from university (Student Vet debt can range from £45,000 - over £100,000) but also from buying premises and refitting them for purpose. If you think that the 20 quid goes straight into someones pocket then you are mistaken. I am training to be a vet for the love of the job purely. If it were for money, I'd have a nasty shock at the end of my degree that's for sure. The only reason people don't moan about doctors is because the massive expense is disguised by taxes and the illusion of a free NHS. For example, full set of dog vaccinations = approx £50 cost of human HPV vaccine = approx £400 (for a SINGLE vaccine!!!!) That is what is ridiculous in my opinion. As for why we don't cover more about birds...well I share the wish but it just isn't going to happen. I realised long ago that if I wanted to become an Avian Vet then I would be training after my degree has ended and off of my own back during. Like others have said, this is to massive cost and often you require an employer to agree to put you through training which no employer is going to do if they won't see a return on their investment due to lack of business. This inevitably makes the distribution of avian vets very sporadic. Often new avian vets train under practices that already have an avian vet so you tend to find a couple of them in the same area. If more info was to be added to the university curriculum then to be frank, I think I would have a nervous breakdown! It's a struggle to remember that amount of information at the best of times so until I can delete the useless stuff from my brain at the end of my degree (i.e Cows, Sheep LOL) then to add any extra would be futile. To defend my university, we do actually do a fair bit on exotics and handling but like others have said, it's not sustainable unless you are refreshing that knowledge on a daily basis and like it or not, people have to run a business and if there isn't the demand then veterinary practices aren't going to waste time and money training and the universities aren't going to cater either. Parrots are a specialist pet, they are not domestic like the cat/dog/cow/sheep/horse therefore you will require a specialist to treat them. Simple as. It's like saying you are at risk of having a heart attack but don't want to travel to the hospital should you have one so even though you live in a small village with few people in the same condition, your local GP should also train as a heart surgeon just incase you have a heart attack.... Trust me, I share the frustration, I am a bird owner too and have to travel an hour to my nearest avian vet and there's nothing more annoying than sitting learning the inside and out of cows when you could be learning about birds but that's the way it is unfortunately.
  6. Is he any good? I can't seem to find any info on whether he is a registered avian vet?
  7. Oooh I didn't know about that one....you learn something every day!
  8. Have used Craig before too. Very good, knowledgeable.
  9. Thanks Zippy! I have heard of this so will give it a go and see what happens.
  10. I second what Chala has said. I felt so guilty when one of mine died but at the end of the day, you do your best for them and that's all you can do. The main thing that matters is that they felt loved and had a happy life before the end and I'm sure that was the case for Barnie. I'm so sorry for your loss x
  11. Hi Calley, I know of two cockateils that are desperate for a new home. One lutino, the other a grey. I believe they are around 15 years old, not a breeding pair. PM me if you would like me to pass on your details
  12. That would probably be a good idea but I think it's much harder with a towel to examine them properly as they're so small so that's why they use bare hands.
  13. I'd go for the 10 year old too. Baby birds may seem more adaptable but I'd imagine that the 10 year old will be far more stable in personality as you won't have to work through the change at adolescence. 3 of my birds are rescues and unfortunately, most birds have had soooooo many different homes by the time they're grown that sadly, they're used to having to adapt. I also find that giving an older bird a second chance and a forever home is far more rewarding for both parties. Every little achievement helps create a super strong lifelong bond
  14. Haha thats how I hold them but this particular one was like the exorcist! :shock:
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